The producers just forgot to put him? Dragon Ball GT saw Bulma develop a device that allowed Vegeta to transform into a Golden Great Ape, his Super Saiyan powers augmented by the primal rage of the Oozaru. I am a huge vegeta fan and i think vegeta could change if he want to as said on the last espodie of dbz when we fight karrato we are going to need a hold planet. Cooper31684 02:02, February 1, 2012 (UTC) *someone else* i would like to point out, Goku only inspired Gohan to bring out his full power, he passed on encouragement. He always had some sort of help or drive to do so. To answer the questions "Can a SS1 be stronger than an SS2?" But vegeta does soon get a pure heart because he helped goku go SSj god and you need a pure heart to do that. The reason he never did because it difficult to hold such power that his body can't handle. Goku had a hard time with this transformation. Mystic is anything but about x100,000. Lady’s Gigantification Quirk, Netflix's The Idhun Chronicles is Basically a Kylo Ren & Rey Love Story, One-Punch Man Reveals Tornado's Relationship to Blast. wot Veget-San said is true, vegeta did in fact reach ss2 through harsh training & babidi just unleashed vegeta's evil potential. I think because of his obession with becoming more powerful than Goku would have caused him to have reached super saiyan 3 shortly after Goku did. He is stronger than ssj3 goku in his EPIC ssj2 mode and BE EPIC AS HELL, Warning if any GT haters are reading this close your eyes lets begin. then, well it depends. The person at the top of this section is wrong. Vegeta will definitely go Super saiyan 3 in DBZ 2013 movie and Millions of DBZ favs will cum there pants, my prediction there gunna give his a cool new look like a red hue or glow along with the golden aurora an hair!! While Baby Vegeta came close to unlocking the form back in Dragon Ball GT, this seems to be the first time he has used the power outright in the anime. Alot of people say Vegeta was not able to go ssj3 because he didnt have training in the otherworld. if u actually watch the babidi saga, u will see dat wen vegeta sees gohan fighting dabura, he notices dat gohan had become weak in the past 7 yrs and says dat if he fought dabura himself, then he wud of easily beaten him. Still weaker than Goku, but much closer. If Toriyama shifted the focus of power to Vegeta, then he may have lost many readers in Japan. Playing next. So yeah, I think Vegeta CAN transform into SSJ3 easily, at least by the end of GT saga. - Vegeta. (2 years after Frieza + 3 years for arrival of Androids + 7 years after Cell = 12 years) During that 12 years Goku fought ALOT and trained even more. It even states on the USSJ page that Vegeta's tactical mindset led him to avoid using USSJ, as did Goku. Super saiyan 3 transformation consume a lot of ki energy. : Some of the fighters in the other world tournament were shown to get tired. We all know that new SSJ forms are difficult to transform/control at first, but after some training it turns easier. Vegeta is a pure blooded saiyan he can with out a doubt reach SSJ3 hell even if he dies in the process all it will do is send him to the otherwolrd where he can now keep his body which just means he would end up training there till he got wished back. And the fans desires always had Goku as the one and only hero. Yeah, thats the only reason goku went ssj3 and thats the only reason he's alive. SupremeBooyah (talk) 18:35, October 16, 2012 (UTC). By the way I hate when people try to say how smart vegeta is because the only time he is smarter is when yet first meet. SSJ2/Base Form are worse in balance. BUT, if even after that people is still skeptical, lets analize after evil Shenrons's saga. RELATED: Dragon Ball Z: The Anime's 10 Most Hated Characters, Ranked That's just what I think, I could be totally wrong. Lately I have really gotten into dbz again, and I have been researching a lot of stuff again. I'm not completely convinced that Vegeta never went to Super Saiyan 3 (even though we never saw it). so to me there is no cear cut winner. Goku says that (he actually says by hard training, but training is basically a mean to increase the ki so..) and Gotenks proves it, since he/them only saw Goku transform once and by that and a few days mastering the transformation, they did transform on SSJ3 quite easily. 5 years ago | 92 views. Gotenks could keep SS3 easier than Goku while alive because he is a fusion, and therefore more powerful. Vegeta goes Super Saiyan for the first time.mp4. Cause Vegeta should've went SS3. Vegeta has always been promoted as being a genius fighter, including by Beerus himself. 1. or like we're talking about now, "Can a SS2 be stronger than a SS3?". Many times, fusions will take on a great deal of damage, but instead of dying, they merely defuse. Follow. LSSJ is x250. and like every one said goku only was able to go ssj3 because his time in other world and check this out every time vegeta die he never got to keep his body. 13:53, August 25, 2011 (UTC) BY vegeta jr, I just want to point out that Goku DID see Cell in his Super Perfect Form... Father-Son Kamehameha ring a bell? Another thing that has been observed throughout the series is that it is much harder to transform the first time the transformation is used. and he manages to gain that good heart,even after being controlled he still was able to accend to ssj2. Is the battle intended to be quick? However, there is one Super Saiyan form that, canonically, the Saiyan Prince has never transformed into, bypassing it completely to reach higher levels of power: Super Saiyan 3. he did in a movie but never agin, Not the same person! When Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 in the tournament, Vegeta commented on how this form was weaker than when he fought Cell, and Gohan was only in Super Saiyan 1 at that point. SSJ3 is x1,500. Throughout the Dragon Ball series, Vegeta has managed to keep up with the escalating Super Saiyan transformations of his longtime frenemy and rival, Goku. now if u go to think of it, had he of trained harder like goku, then by the end of Z or the start of GT, he wud definatley of become a ss3.TheDarkPrinceReturns! Hell, even Teen Gohan dominated Frieza during the Buu Saga, and he was in his Base Form too. Other than that...they are more than capable, ESPECIALLY Vegeta. And without Goku around, Vegeta lost any reason left to train, and like Gohan became weaker and more mellowed. character profiles state that Vegeta was awakened to his Super Saiyan 2 form by means of extensive training in between the Cell and Buu arcs, which assures that Vegeta did indeed achieve this transformation through training.". r u serious, dats just like saying a person needing a gun in order to kill a bug, wen they can just squash it, lol. That to me is a false statement because they're obviuosly forgeting about Gotenks who went ssj3 with the lack of actual training like Goku in the Otherworld. DBGT shows that his body can handle the transformation also (assuming that if he can handle SSJ4 he can handle SSJ3). "Ultimate" Gohan is stronger than both Goku SSJ3 and Gotenks SSJ3, Vegito and Gogeta as well, so the SSJ3 transformation would be no problem to them. Goku was dead, with a body that could not feel hunger and had unlimited "life". besides, super perfect cell aint dat strong, he was defeated by ss2 teen gohan and as we know, vegeta and kakarot had both grown stronger than him during the years.TheDarkPrinceReturns! Okay for one thing i want to piont this out even if he asked goku how to go ssj3 its not like he can just do it he needs to train and have something snap that power out of him cause if you just ask and turn into right after that then it would be to easy. Second Goku says Daburas around Cells level, Hes probally referring to the last Cell hes seen aka Perfect Cell not super perfect Cell. As anyone with a half a brain knows, it doesn't matter what anyone elses opinions are around the world, the Japanese are the ones who need to be kept happy for the series to be made. There's a lot more to it than just SS1, SS2, SS3, SS4. Even if he did, he did not have the time to attempt to learn it before King Yemma brought him back to fight Buu. Goku acheived it because he was dead and DID have his body. Playing next. KEEP READING: Dragon Ball Theory: Vegeta's Next Level Will Surpass Ultra Instinct. Vegeta is a smart fighter, maybe the smartest between all the Z-Fighters. However, he can exceed the power of SSJ3 using his own power. Vegeta can reach it with enough drive and training he could do it Also people keep bringing up DBGT, I'm sorry but you can not include anything from GT since it was made and written by someone else and was made for no other reason than to pull more money in from the DB franchise. First off Vegeta was an ssj2 before he fought Goku and before Babidi "cursed" him. The reason why Vegeta didn't attain Super Saiyan 3 is because it is much easier to achieve it while dead. Second, because the ending of DBZ, GT's story line was written by someone else. It is some sort of supernatural quality that Goku and Gotenks shared in being either dead or fused (a connection underlined by the commonality that it cost both SSJ3s time to sustain the form). So what’s wrong with Vegeta! While Goku was able to achieve this in a ritual with Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan, it was revealed that Vegeta had also achieved Super Saiyan God, … SSJ5 if it exists is x10,000. Ashley Miles. Syed Ifikhar Ali Shah. In GT he becomes super saiyan 4 and skips out 3. Like Trunks said after Cell told him about the flaws of USSJ: "So that's why dad chose not to transform this way. A lone sayain couldnt become stronger as a Ssj1 than Ssj 2 SSJ2 would probably be better, although you run the risk of not being strong enough to win. Balanarahul (talk) 14:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC). Yeah vegeta probably couldnt have become ssj3 But, vegeta in early DBZ was very smart but when he became a SSJ he wasnt as smart. 2:16. I think vegeta could go ssj3 because he and goku were equal when they were ssj2. and how would Pilaf know about them ? When Goku reached ASSJ/USSJ1 and then USSJ/USSJ2 he realised that bulking up and forcing his power to increase isn't the best way to increase power level. Goku did all those transformations by him self too. Upon achievement, it is easier to master the form, but every time a character unlocks a new one, it is much more painful than later uses (of course, this may just be for plot reasons). He knew this would happen." just? hmmmm? He was not powerful enough to defeat a kamehameha from "Mystic" Gohan SS goten and SS2 (dead body) Goku. P.S. Goku new exactly how strong Cell was when Cell was killed. Frieza Saga Goku was when he just went SSJ1 for the first time, and Vegito happened during the Buu Saga, 12 years after Frieza Saga! Huge Fan so Please respond Prince Zarbon=), if you think about, goku showed goten and trunks how to do it and. The tail is a requisite for a saiyan for them to transcend to SSJ4. Unlike any other SSJ transformation, is basically raw power, they dont need an emotional kick or blutz rays, just pure and simple, power/ki. Is Goku that is kinda anormal, not Vegeta imo (Vegeta evens says when Goku was kinda confuse about the Vegeta's SSJ4 :P). And btw, Gohan (on the end of DBZ and beyond) can also transform into SSJ3, as well as Gogeta and Vegito; since it only depends on raw power. My Hero Academia's Deadliest Villains Return, Delivering [SPOILER]'s First Real Loss, Naruto: 5 Characters That Deserve Their Own Spinoff Series, Avatar: Katara's Character Arc Is About More Than Just Forgiveness, My Hero Academia: 5 Minor Heroes That Would Make Better Villains, Higurashi's Bleakest Arc Forces Rika to Issue an Ultimatum... to Herself, Dragon Ball Anatomy: 5 Weird Secrets About Trunks’ Body, One Piece: 5 Devil Fruit Powers That Would SUCK in Real Life, My Hero Academia: 5 Strange Secrets About Mt. When in the otherworld Goku had almost limitless energy due to not having the strain of a living body. He achieved it because he was dead in otherworld. Le Super Saiyan 3 est largement supérieur au Super Saiyan 2en termes de puissance, de rap… Krillin then throws him a Senzu Bean, and he eats it. ", the short answer is no. In any case, it's entirely possible that Vegeta reached Super Saiyan 3 between the end of Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. I do want to say that vegeta does tell goku something like no matter what he has done how hard he has trained goku is stronger than him blah blah blah. :3, 16:52, September 21, 2012 (UTC)16:52, September 21, 2012 (UTC)16:52, September 21, 2012 (UTC) can i be a super saiyan. He hates the feeling that someone more powerful than him is out there, so he constantly tries to catch up to Goku's strength. Vegeta should be perfectly capable of reaching through to Super Sayian 3, since Goku said reaching a higher power comes through need and not always through wanting it. Vegeta did probably not acheive this form because had no body when dead. He probably attained it, then practiced it like crazy to be able to use it as a human ( "sorry to keep you waiting...I haven't had much occasion to practice this one..." ) lol. 2. he even accended to ussj with trunks in the htc. Easily recognized by the user’s lack of eyebrows and incredibly long hair, the Super Saiyan 3 transformation made its anime debut in Dragon Ball Z’s Buu Saga, when Goku used it to fight Majin Buu. He was smart, smarter than goku at first but then got too arrogant. he IS a super saiyan.just like goku.ive watched every episode of dbz and dbgt. Also, if they were even they wouldn't just be even in SSJ2 they would aslo be even in SSJ and Base forms. The best GIFs are on GIPHY. Okay, so we've seen two beings ever achieve Super Saiyan 3, correct? SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta are exactly even. Follow. "You Can't", "You need more training" or "Ok I'll show you first turn Super Saiyan and go beyond that to Super Saiyan 2 and if you go beyon this you'll become Super Saiyan 3" could this be the only thing that could help vegeta. We all know that he did transform into SSJ by 'normal' means, and I think I did clarify that he kinda does on SSJ4 as well. While Vegeta is one of the strongest characters in Dragon Ball, there is one Super Saiyan form that has always eluded him. Super Saiyan is a transformation that is linked to the genes of the Saiyan race, who seem to carry with themselves what … Since then, the only other character ever seen using the form is the composite warrior Gotenks. 1:11. Gohan as well. Android 19 then hits his earring and shoots Eye Lasers at Goku. Sandubadear (talk) 18:49, January 10, 2013 (UTC), Vegeta could totally do it, the boys did it in fused and the fusion of the boys in ss3 is about the same as ss2, if piccolo didn't distroy the space time room I think vegeta could have a chance, the other world training is a valid point but is useless because a 7 and 8 yr old goten and trunks could transform into ss3, if vegetas pride wasn't in the way him and his mustache could totally transform into SS3 an he would beat goku. Here are some examples: So that shows that Vegeta only transformed once with the help of others, doesn't have a pure enough heart to transform, only got powerful enough to access the other forms with the boost from past transformations(that he didn't even attain himself) so he probably isn't powerful enough to do so, and he has too much pride to to ask for Goku's help in attaining it. The only form Vegeta (or any other Saiyan for that matter) could never reach is the Legendary Super Saiyan form. he was able to reach ss2 by training himelf. I know that wasn't in the manga but :S Ultra Buugetto (talk) 15:07, June 30, 2013 (UTC), Vegeta could? (with the exception of Broly Ssj5vegeta 00:03, February 3, 2010 (UTC). It was in the Dragon Ball Z Buu Saga that we first ever saw the Super Saiyan 3 transformation. Saying "Base Form Vegito is stronger than SSJ1 Frieza Saga Goku" is an absolutley idiotic comparision. Gotenks is similar to Goku's dead self in that fusions, like dead people, are much harder to kill. Like others have said, Goku went SSJ2 and 3 while he was dead, in reality, it should've have taken him much longer. Report. All of the Super Saiyan forms have drawbacks, if you look close enough. Come On Guys Lets Think Vegeta SS1 Pure Heart To Evil Goku SS1 Pure Heart To Good SS2 goku Pure Heart To Good SS2 Veget Was Under The Majin Spell Making Him Pure evil So Hejust Needs Tobe Pureley Evil For Him To Accend To SS3 NO MORE ARGUMENTS PLZ, Allso cant wait battle of the gods two SSG Vegeta Is Blue. The only reason Goku went SSJ3 was because he trained in the heavens for so long, while Vegta only traind on Earth. His mind is tainted by the envy he has for Goku, and without a pure-heart, there's only so far he can push his limits. Vegeta was never able to train while dead (since he wasnt allowed to have his body). Legendary: Brolly is shown to be SS1 and SS2 but surpasses all previous known levels of SS power (SS2 up to that point) and is at a level called "Legendary", although that may be due to the amount of his power at his level. even the author explains it on one of his blogs. Vegeta is as strong as Goku in Base (or they wouldn't be able to fuse), so it's not that he's too weak to handle SSJ3. Plus, Fusion Dance is much weaker than Potara. I may not be a huge Vegeta fan, but I believe it's possible, or maybe he just didn't WANT to. there was no circumstance before this time dat wud cause vegeta to use dis form as the show skipped 7 years on after cell games. Potara is add the two powers and then x14,000. And he didn't ask how to turn into it, because he has his pride, and I don't think it would work. Vegeta and Gohan had no reason to train and then when GT came up they just let Goku fight every battle. Vegeta never needed to go SS3. Browse more videos. he got his tail unlike with Vegetta. i dont think so vegeta fought to kill but goku fought to push his own limits so i dont think vegeta would be able to turn ssj3. It is something that you need to have or not have. Remember after the seven years of peace after Cell died? 10/10: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks is a semi reliable unit due to his ability to eat damage but also deal it out in the 2nd and 3rd stage. And when Vegeta was alive he probably did train but did not obtain the SSj3 form due to the strain of a living body. Personally i think DBGT completely sucked ! As we know, Goku struggled greatly to sustain SSJ3 when he was alive, both when he fought Kid Buu and in GT. While it's unclear whether Vegeta's transformations into Super Saiyan 4 or Super Saiyan God allow him to attain the lesser form of Super Saiyan 3, the Saiyan Prince appears largely uninterested. Gotenks Becomes Super Saiyan 3 For The First Time. Gotenks in ssj3 form was coompletly stronger than vegeta. I dont think that is able to be done unless your fused because if you train in super sayian 2 for along time you can not be stronger than you ss3 form because that form is what i believe 20times stronger than your last form and the more you train in your lower levels of SS the higher power you will have in your other forms, The reason Vegito was more powerful than a Ssj2 two was because it was two fighters fused together Also this is just a theory but Vegeta probally picked up on how Goku fights harder when hes angry or hes fighting a villain that only he can beat aka Freiza/Saiyan saga Vegeta/etc. Secondly I want to say vegeta might have been able to if he the training goku had but he didn't. He noticed the limitations/drawbacks. Vegeta witnessed Goku fighting Kid Buu in SS3 form. Using the Dance technique Goten and Trunks fuse at their base levels and become Gotenks, who then becomes a SS1 and then , skipping 2, a SS3. 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Vegeta's overconfidence leads him to allow Cell to absorb Android 18, upon which Cell achieves his "perfect" form. vegeta cud of used dis to his advantage and started to train without a lust for power so he cud achieve ss3 but he decided not to and trained at an average level maybe due to the fact dat he did not have that thirst of surpassing goku anymore. 2. Report. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. like controling the great ape form and worked out his weakness with his tail,and i think goku was influenced alot by vegeta and i know that vegeta is more than capable. The only reason Goku went ssj4 becuase ofthe Kais help and Pan. But we are forgetting a factor here. Like goku, he couldn't hold super saiyan 3 that long because his body wasn't strong enough. Oh and SSJ Gohan wasn't trying agisnt Cell, though Cell was only at 16% Max power. Forget Goku, Vegeta's the best. Akira Toriyama stated in the Saikyō Jump's June 2014 interview that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered up variants of Super Saiyan and that mastering Super Saiyan could increase its power beyond that of Super Saiyan 2 and 3 while draining less energy.This form of Super Saiyan is achievable by a Saiyan who has already obtained the Super Saiyan 2 form and then trains intensely. Toriyama must not have had much interest in making Vegeta SS3 because that would sort of take the wind away from Goku, where this is a series where Goku is the hero, Goku is in the spotlight. Also the fact that Gohan could hold his own even though he got weaker implies that Dabura wasnt as strong as super perfect Cell. Vegeta isn't even with Goku...Majin Vegeta is stronger than him barely and Goku is a good deal more powerful than Vegeta in his normal state. 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